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	<title>Comments on: Is Microsoft Live Search stuffing our log files?</title>
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	<description>Thoughts from a search geek</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 03:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: A Site Admin</title>
		<link>http://www.bitworm.com/search/2007/is-microsoft-live-search-stuffing-our-log-files/#comment-7884</link>
		<dc:creator>A Site Admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect there's a simple explanation for all this ... just follow the money.

I think M$ is trying to convince people that their live.search.com is sending you all kinds of visitors ... and, of course, that means you should be advertising with them.

It's possible that search.live.com is not only showing people the search hits BUT also visits (at least) some (large!) number of pages in that list.

E.G., when I look at the referrers for the last 3 days for one of our sites, I see entries like:
- 10 hits : http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=license
- 1 hit : http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=licenses
- 1 hit : http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=upgrades
- 7 hits : http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=contacts
... and on and on.

So, if they're hitting our pages for these kind of search terms, you can imagine that they're hitting hundreds of thousands of pages -- possibly for each person's search.

That way it looks like there are "sooooo many people" visiting your site because they've used search.live.com ... and, of course, that'd mean you really should be advertising with them.

When all this started, we suddenly saw referrals go from about 3% of the number of Google search referrals to more than the number of Google-search referrals ... all within a few days.  Analyzing the resulting traffic from these referrals makes it fairly obvious that they're not real people visiting.

In the end, I just attribute this to the normal kind of business behavior that's consistent for Microsoft.  What sleazebags!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect there&#8217;s a simple explanation for all this &#8230; just follow the money.</p>
<p>I think M$ is trying to convince people that their live.search.com is sending you all kinds of visitors &#8230; and, of course, that means you should be advertising with them.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s possible that search.live.com is not only showing people the search hits BUT also visits (at least) some (large!) number of pages in that list.</p>
<p>E.G., when I look at the referrers for the last 3 days for one of our sites, I see entries like:<br />
- 10 hits : <a href="http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=license" rel="nofollow">http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=license</a><br />
- 1 hit : <a href="http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=licenses" rel="nofollow">http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=licenses</a><br />
- 1 hit : <a href="http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=upgrades" rel="nofollow">http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=upgrades</a><br />
- 7 hits : <a href="http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=contacts" rel="nofollow">http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=contacts</a><br />
&#8230; and on and on.</p>
<p>So, if they&#8217;re hitting our pages for these kind of search terms, you can imagine that they&#8217;re hitting hundreds of thousands of pages &#8212; possibly for each person&#8217;s search.</p>
<p>That way it looks like there are &#8220;sooooo many people&#8221; visiting your site because they&#8217;ve used search.live.com &#8230; and, of course, that&#8217;d mean you really should be advertising with them.</p>
<p>When all this started, we suddenly saw referrals go from about 3% of the number of Google search referrals to more than the number of Google-search referrals &#8230; all within a few days.  Analyzing the resulting traffic from these referrals makes it fairly obvious that they&#8217;re not real people visiting.</p>
<p>In the end, I just attribute this to the normal kind of business behavior that&#8217;s consistent for Microsoft.  What sleazebags!</p>
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		<title>By: ALTERNATE-REALITY.NET &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Live Search messing with logs</title>
		<link>http://www.bitworm.com/search/2007/is-microsoft-live-search-stuffing-our-log-files/#comment-7538</link>
		<dc:creator>ALTERNATE-REALITY.NET &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Live Search messing with logs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] came across this article. For some reason I started checking out IP addresses because my users online box had trouble [...]</description>
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		<title>By: MSN Live Search Spam BOT Cloaked referrals - Yack Yack SEO</title>
		<link>http://www.bitworm.com/search/2007/is-microsoft-live-search-stuffing-our-log-files/#comment-7519</link>
		<dc:creator>MSN Live Search Spam BOT Cloaked referrals - Yack Yack SEO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 09:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: MSN Comes Clean on Fake Search Traffic : The BitWorm Search Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.bitworm.com/search/2007/is-microsoft-live-search-stuffing-our-log-files/#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>MSN Comes Clean on Fake Search Traffic : The BitWorm Search Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 21:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.bitworm.com/search/2007/is-microsoft-live-search-stuffing-our-log-files/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 03:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://sebastians-pamphlets.com/microsoft-live-search-the-downfall-of-a-tiny-search-engine/

Seems to be the best explanation out there.</description>
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<p>Seems to be the best explanation out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Peon</title>
		<link>http://www.bitworm.com/search/2007/is-microsoft-live-search-stuffing-our-log-files/#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>Peon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 03:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would take a closer look at the referrals from live.com. I've noticed something similar, but when I look at the logs, I see this:
#grep live.com access-log
65.55.165.13 - - [13/Nov/2007:10:43:20 -0500] "GET /forum/index.php?action=unread;board=12.0 HTTP/1.0" 200 13753 "http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=login&#38;mrt=en-us&#38;FORM=LIVSOP" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.2; .NET CLR 1.1.4322)"
65.55.165.38 - - [13/Nov/2007:13:32:25 -0500] "GET /forum/index.php?action=help;page=pm HTTP/1.0" 200 24056 "http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=personal&#38;mrt=en-us&#38;FORM=LIVSOP" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.2; .NET CLR 1.1.4322)"

Note that the IP address is in the proximity of the MSN spiders. Each one of these requests looks like a complete hit from a normal browser - loads images, css, etc.

I've been watching this for a few weeks and what appears to be happening is that MSN is performing *full* page view for *each* keyword that is associated with the site, in such a way that the keyword looks like it's in the top results. It's been happening on my sites for a few weeks, though it's winding down today.

I suspect the MSN is trying to clean up results by performing some kind of intelligent analysis of keyword referrals in a way that makes sure they are not being duped by SEO "tricks".

That's my theory anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would take a closer look at the referrals from live.com. I&#8217;ve noticed something similar, but when I look at the logs, I see this:<br />
#grep live.com access-log<br />
65.55.165.13 - - [13/Nov/2007:10:43:20 -0500] &#8220;GET /forum/index.php?action=unread;board=12.0 HTTP/1.0&#8243; 200 13753 &#8220;http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=login&amp;mrt=en-us&amp;FORM=LIVSOP&#8221; &#8220;Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.2; .NET CLR 1.1.4322)&#8221;<br />
65.55.165.38 - - [13/Nov/2007:13:32:25 -0500] &#8220;GET /forum/index.php?action=help;page=pm HTTP/1.0&#8243; 200 24056 &#8220;http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=personal&amp;mrt=en-us&amp;FORM=LIVSOP&#8221; &#8220;Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.2; .NET CLR 1.1.4322)&#8221;</p>
<p>Note that the IP address is in the proximity of the MSN spiders. Each one of these requests looks like a complete hit from a normal browser - loads images, css, etc.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been watching this for a few weeks and what appears to be happening is that MSN is performing *full* page view for *each* keyword that is associated with the site, in such a way that the keyword looks like it&#8217;s in the top results. It&#8217;s been happening on my sites for a few weeks, though it&#8217;s winding down today.</p>
<p>I suspect the MSN is trying to clean up results by performing some kind of intelligent analysis of keyword referrals in a way that makes sure they are not being duped by SEO &#8220;tricks&#8221;.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my theory anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.bitworm.com/search/2007/is-microsoft-live-search-stuffing-our-log-files/#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 03:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe it is a distributed denial of service attack against live.com search engine.

My stats show 85% of one of my customers' web site traffic coming from livebot-65-55-214-156.search.live.com .

The steady increase in traffic fits the denial of service attack profile, albeit on a slow time frame, but the increase grows slowly yet surely for this one customer.  And this is not bogus traffic -- my server, which has 100 or so customers on it, has had it's traffic double in the last few months, from 170 kilobits per second to 340 kilobits per second roughly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it is a distributed denial of service attack against live.com search engine.</p>
<p>My stats show 85% of one of my customers&#8217; web site traffic coming from livebot-65-55-214-156.search.live.com .</p>
<p>The steady increase in traffic fits the denial of service attack profile, albeit on a slow time frame, but the increase grows slowly yet surely for this one customer.  And this is not bogus traffic &#8212; my server, which has 100 or so customers on it, has had it&#8217;s traffic double in the last few months, from 170 kilobits per second to 340 kilobits per second roughly.</p>
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		<title>By: Cobracam</title>
		<link>http://www.bitworm.com/search/2007/is-microsoft-live-search-stuffing-our-log-files/#comment-6</link>
		<dc:creator>Cobracam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello...Man i just love your blog, keep the cool posts comin..holy Monday</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello&#8230;Man i just love your blog, keep the cool posts comin..holy Monday</p>
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		<title>By: My Worst Referrer Spam: MSN Live.com - Pocket SEO</title>
		<link>http://www.bitworm.com/search/2007/is-microsoft-live-search-stuffing-our-log-files/#comment-5</link>
		<dc:creator>My Worst Referrer Spam: MSN Live.com - Pocket SEO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] noticing a lot of strange one-word referrers from MSN Live Search in my logs. Today I saw a post by BitWorm that reveals this as referrer spam-like behavior from [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] noticing a lot of strange one-word referrers from MSN Live Search in my logs. Today I saw a post by BitWorm that reveals this as referrer spam-like behavior from [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pocket SEO</title>
		<link>http://www.bitworm.com/search/2007/is-microsoft-live-search-stuffing-our-log-files/#comment-4</link>
		<dc:creator>Pocket SEO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've seen the same thing on my sites.  One word referrals from MSN that do not make sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen the same thing on my sites.  One word referrals from MSN that do not make sense.</p>
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